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Ross Douthat: The Exit Interview

Aug 11, 2026 · 1h 13m

Summary

Ezra Klein interviews Ross Douthat as he transitions from The New York Times to 60 Minutes. They discuss the evolution of media from the conversational early blogosphere to today’s polarized landscape. Douthat reflects on his career as a conservative voice in liberal institutions and analyzes the shift from religious conservatism to a post-Christian, populist right.

Topics discussed

Introduction and Ross Douthat's move to 60 Minutes Douthat's early career at The Atlantic and blogging origins The rise of political blogging post-9/11 and the blogosphere 2008 McCain-Obama campaign and the shift in political discourse Writing for liberal audiences and engaging in good faith debate The Grand New Party, Trump's rise, and populist conservatism The decline of evangelicalism and the rise of the post-Christian right National greatness conservatism vs. Trumpism and character Catholicism's elite appeal and the left's search for spiritual meaning Liberal values, human dignity, and the state of media trust Interviewing at 60 Minutes and the shift to video and orality UFOs, AI, skepticism, and final book recommendations
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