What’s the Deal With Billy Evans? A Spoiler-Filled Guide to ‘You Can See Everything’
Summary
This Hard Fork episode dissects the documentary "You Can See Everything," focusing on Elizabeth Holmes’ partner Billy Evans and his new blood-testing startup, Hemanthus. Guests Rob Copeland and Aaron Griffith discuss the company’s dubious origins, its minimal funding, and the nature of Holmes and Evans’ relationship. The conversation also covers the viral impact of the film, the political implications of Holmes’ online presence, and broader tech news, including CoreWeave’s debt crisis and Elon Musk’s potential SpaceX-Tesla merger.
Topics discussed
Sponsor: Dell Technologies AI Factory
Intro: The documentary and Billy Evans
Aaron Griffith: Discovering Billy's startup
The blood testing startup and Theranos parallels
Investment attempts and the $3M raise
High-profile investors and Jim Breyer's pass
Legal issues and the patent dispute
Analyzing the Holmes-Evans relationship
Are they in love? Attention and notoriety
VC 'troll investments' and convicted frauds
Public reaction and the MAGA gossip blog
Billy's tweets and Holmes' influence
Phones in prison and SBF reporting
Sponsors: Atlassian, OutSystems, IREN
AI Infra: CoreWeave debt and market shake
AI bubble fears and Anthropic IPO
Elon Musk: SpaceX and Tesla merger
Meta policy chief Joel Kaplan leaving
Sponsors: OutSystems, Ripple, IREN
John Carreyrou: Public impact of the film
Evidence of fraud: The Edison vs. MiniLab
Tyler Schultz: The whistleblower's story
Theranos' pursuit and intimidation of Schultz
Theranos' attempt to shut down WSJ reporting
Holmes' texts and the 'can' debate
Was Holmes playing dumb or calculating?
Rejecting the neurodivergent defense
Timeline of the fraud: 2013 and Walgreens
Sympathy for Holmes and the prison scene
Billy Evans as an opportunist
Should we stop talking about Holmes?
Judge Davila's quote and Holmes' psychology
Sponsors: OutSystems, Ripple, IREN
Credits and production team
Outro: Audience feedback
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