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Can CEO John Ternus find Apple's next big thing?

Sep 21, 2026 · 58m

Summary

Eli Pariser interviews Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman about Apple’s transition to CEO John Ternus, highlighting the launch of the foldable iPhone Duo and the company’s pivot toward AI. Gurman details a massive executive overhaul, including the departures of Phil Schiller and the elevation of Johny Ive’s former team, while analyzing Apple’s cautious AI strategy and its contentious lawsuit against OpenAI. The episode explores how Apple is redefining its corporate culture and product roadmap to navigate the shift from the iPhone era to the AI era.

Topics discussed

Sponsors: CrowdStrike and Dopple Introduction and guest Mark Gurman Reflections on covering Apple events John Ternus's first event and leadership style Apple's AI strategy and the 'Intelligent Personal Hub' Analysis of the iPhone Duo and safe product choices Upcoming hardware: Home hub, glasses, and wearables Eras of Apple: Jobs, Cook, and the Vision Pro backlash Leadership transition and the iPhone Duo timing Sponsors: Upwork, Shopify, and CrowdStrike The succession plan and executive retirements Tim Cook's 'Hotel California' strategy and retained roles Phil Schiller's departure and remaining responsibilities Company structure, culture, and the Chief Design Officer role Johny Ive's departure and the Apple Silicon legacy Leadership hierarchy and retention challenges Apple's AI strategy: Google partnership vs. in-house models OpenAI lawsuit and the future of AI interfaces Johny Ive's new venture and screenless AI devices Sponsors: Framer, Pipedrive, and T-Mobile AirPods with cameras and Visual Intelligence Privacy concerns and the social backlash to ambient AI Apple Watch features and the privacy blind spot The future of foldables and the iPhone Duo John Ternus's legacy and the next Apple centerpiece Outro, credits, and final sponsors
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