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Benn Jordan thinks the surveillance problem is much bigger than Flock

Oct 15, 2026 · 1h 2m

Summary

Ben Jordan, a security researcher and YouTuber, discusses the bipartisan backlash against Flock’s automatic license plate reader network following his Senate testimony. He argues that Flock’s aggressive PR and severe security vulnerabilities made it a target, while competitors like Axon quietly build similar systems. Jordan emphasizes that the core issue is the lack of transparency and legal oversight for private surveillance databases, not just the hardware. He advocates for tangible policy solutions, such as public audit logs and opt-out mechanisms, to address the broader threat of unchec…

Topics discussed

Sponsors: CrowdStrike, Doppel, and Apple Watch Ben Jordan's congressional testimony and Flock backlash Introduction of Ben Jordan and his background Public outrage and the lack of opt-out options Local democracy and political fallout for Flock Flock's startup strategy vs. established competitors How Flock hardware and the nationwide network work Privacy concerns: public view vs. warrantless tracking Debunking the crime reduction and deterrence arguments Sponsors: CrowdStrike, T-Mobile, and Cisco Security vulnerabilities and lack of access controls Security by obscurity and the role of legislators Bipartisan hearings and the experience of testifying Conspiracy theories vs. reality of data surveillance Proposed solutions: immutable logs and opt-out models Sponsors: Pipedrive, AWS, and Quo The need for independent research and local accountability Blockchain ideas and the path to a compromise Navigating ethics: journalist vs. security researcher Educating the audience and closing remarks
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